How To Be A Good Christian Wife
A couple years ago I was bombarded with emails asking me how to please both Jesus and your Husband. I came up with a list for these ladies and it seemed to help.
I've re-written the list and I hope it helps as many women reading this as it has helped in the past.
1. Always be up before your Husband in the morning so you can have his paper and his breakfast ready for him when he wakes. Although it is the morning, there is no need to be slovenly, always make sure you are showered and dressed with your hair fixed and your make-up on. ALWAYS serve fresh orange juice. Only whores use frozen.
2. DO NOT sit down at breakfast. Your Husband will be trying to read the morning paper and the sound of your chair scraping on the floor will be a distraction to him as you get up and down to fetch him more biscuits or find his briefcase for him.
3. DO NOT be a clingy wife! Your Husband has a lot on his mind in the morning, planning out his busy day. Do not try to engage him in conversation about what your plans for the day are or other trivial matters. Always walk him to the door. Make sure to carry with you any of the things he has forgetton so he doesn't need to go back for them. Offer yourself for a kiss, but if he is too busy to notice DO NOT POUT. He has a lot of responsibility and the morning is not the time for feminine hysterics.
4. DO NOT CALL YOUR HUSBAND AT WORK. Nothing will distract him from his responsibilities at work faster than trying to deal with yours as well. It can wait. In the case of an actual emergency, of course, calling him at work is necessary. PMS induced crying jags are not emergencies.
5. Spend your day cooking and cleaning. There is no excuse for anything other than a spotless house. Filth is for pigs not humans and cleaning top to bottom everyday is a good use of your time as well as good exercise. Bake lots of cookies and cakes and treats. ALWAYS REMEMBER a fat Husband is a faithful Husband.
6. When your Husband gets home from work, do not jump him with problems you've had during the day, or questions about his day. He needs time to relax and wind down. Make sure the TV remote is next to his chair and the batteries are fresh. Once he walks in the door, ladies...turn OFF the soaps and talk shows.
7. Have a snack ready for him to eat as you finish dinner. If he is not happy with your choice of snack DO NOT POUT, it's your fault. He's had a busy day and he's not psychic. Replace the snack immediately with what he wants.
8. Dinner should be more formal than breakfast. At this meal you may be seated, and allow him to serve himself from the table. Of course if he wants hotter gravy or something from the kitchen, you need to be up and gone for it with a smile. DO NOT PIG OUT. Always leave the table a little bit hungry to maintain both your figure and your dignity.
9. After dinner you may begin clearing the table as he waits for you to bring his dessert. He will be in a state of relaxation by this point and feel contented. If he aims a playful swipe at your backside during the clearing, respond with an "oh you!", smile and continue to the kitchen to get his dessert.
10. When choosing a dessert, remember a fat man is a faithful man and a full man falls asleep fast. Use lots of rich icings and creamy fillings.
11. Do not complain or question if your Husband has plans for after dinner. He has the right to a private life. Never call to check up on him. Use your free time to bake more, or to do his laundry.
12. Always go to bed before your Husband. He deserves a quiet time to reflect on his day and to plan for tomorrow. If he wakes you for sex when he comes to bed, give in graciously.
13. Never initiate sex yourself. Only whores initiate sex.
So ladies, print this out and keep it somewhere where you can see it daily. Not only will your Husband be much happier but so will you.
And of course, you will be pleasing Jesus and isn't that what it's all about?
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posted by AnnieAngel @ 2:39 PM
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274 Comments:
...a fat Husband is a faithful Husband.
Wow, great points Annie! Thanks bunches. ;)
This, ladies and gentlemen, is why we don't let our pets off the collar and onto the computer. Now, back to the bedroom with you, slave! And this time, I want my boots CLEAN!
Disregarding more than half of a populace is a DANGEROUS tactic.
Suggesting that a 'woman's work' and the activities she engages in throughout the day are meaningless and trivial is an insult to women.
It is also pathetic to take half of your populace and eliminate them from positions of power based merely on gender. Imagine how many great ideas may be lurking out there in the minds of women that are currently 'keeping quiet as to not disturb their busy husbands'.
Depressing. Truly and completely Depressing.
Is this on the level??? It reminds me of Betty Bowers - total parody.
I don't know whether to laugh or cry ...
Personally, I try to remember, as a single person, that Jesus was single, that his disciples walked out on their families in order to follow him, and that in early Christianity, family life was seen as a distraction from following God and was to be avoided or at the very least, frowned upon.
And I try to remember that God made me as a woman with a brain and he loves me that way, and that Jesus told us not to hide our lights under a bushel. Or in some suburban nightmare, buried in soap operas, Prozac, and a dysfunctional relationship.
I'm RELATIVELY certain that it's meant to be a parody, given lines like, "Only whores use frozen orange juice." Very funny, Annie. :)
It's obvious that none of you women are Christians and it's even more obvious that none of you care about making a happy home for yourselves and your Husbands.
I am not suggesting that a woman's work is trivial and unimportant, it is THE most important work there is! Women are responsible for the raising of the next generation, for the running of the household and for keeping the entire family well fed, well groomed and well prepared to face what life has to offer!
I suggest you all take stock of your lives and ask what is truly important in the long run. The position of power is with the woman, if the mother is a WHORE the family will be disfunctional. Fathers rarely play anything other than a disciplinary role and children need something more than that.
They need a loving mother and men need a loving wife to raise their children to be loving adults.
SHEESH!
Glad I'm not a Christian... what a waste of an excellent resource, the wife, in such fruitless and demeaning servitude.
Yes... Fruitless beccause the relationship you suggest reinforces a very disgusting mode of behavior among men. Teaches children that based on the bits they have between their legs they are either automatically master or servant...
You're glad you're going to Hell?
It's obvious that none of you women are Christians and it's even more obvious that none of you care about making a happy home for yourselves and your Husbands.
Bingo, and way off the mark. I'm no sheep, and I'm not married. I'm also no one's slave. I was brought up to be a partner, not help a childless, helpless man pretend he can control me. But you're a Christian; wasn't Eve meant to walk at his side as a companion--not above, or below, but right next to him?
I won't disagree that what you want to call "women's" work isn't trivial; it is work indeed. But dividing it along gender lines? No way, Annie. Haven't you ever heard that it takes a village? Children don't learn everything from their mothers and I'm sure a stay-at-home father or two would have some words with you over it. There's a great book called The Second Shift from the 1980s with stories about families--men and women with children together--who had interesting thoughts on those chores. It's worth a read.
If a mother is a whore the family will be dysfunctional.
What whore has a family?
I'm afraid you're ignoring nearly one hundred years of psychology. I won't presume that you haven't been to college, though I'm thinking a finishing school is more likely with the ideas you espouse. A man can cause his family to be dysfunctional just as easily as a woman; parent or child they can do that. If you live in the United States, you probably see plenty of that every day.
I knew a guy who couldn't get a date. He espoused similar ideals. It's been four years since he got a girlfriend--I've seen him whining about it online. I don't wonder how that could be. The ideas are chauvinistic and mature portions of society are trying to move on beyond them. That's why sexual harassment and the like are illegal in the workplace. Women in the Victorian era were diagnosed with "hysteria" and drugged to keep them inside the house and "happy."
If you want to stay locked in the house with a bunch of squalling children and adult males who act like bigger, spoiled versions of them, that's fine, but please don't rain on my parade. I'm quite happy becoming an educated, productive member of society. We spent quite long enough in the Dark Ages.
What are you talking about? Who's locked in the house? You sure are biased agasint women who WORK in the home....why is that?
Why do you keep espousing that what women do in the home and family is below what the man does outside the home?
It isn't. It is equal. I hope you stop self hating. Have you prayed lately? Let's pray together.
Sweet Jesus, xenophile is lost and in confusion, please Jesus reach out to xeno, touch her heart, make her realise her full potential as a woman, let her see the power she holds within, in Your Name I pray. Amen.
I'm sorry, you appear not to have read what I said about AGREEING that the work done in the home is important. I made no comparisons, and nowhere did I say that either one was more or less important.
But hey, if you're going to pray for me, I shall think for you.
Sure you agreed, but you also said:
But you're a Christian; wasn't Eve meant to walk at his side as a companion--not above, or below, but right next to him?
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If you want to stay locked in the house with a bunch of squalling children and adult males who act like bigger, spoiled versions of them, that's fine, but please don't rain on my parade. I'm quite happy becoming an educated, productive member of society. We spent quite long enough in the Dark Ages.
So, I figured you were just trying to be PC with your bullshit about how you agree what women do at home is important.
With all due respect, AnnieAngel, I think you are misunderstanding what Xenophile is trying to say. She does, in fact, state that domesticity is important. However, she simply does not want to live her life that way. And who can blame her? Women have so many more options these days.
You have proven you can make a coherent statement, however, can you lift such a statement out of another's writing? I think you will find such skills useful in any job you might undertake, including that of a housewife. How better to support your husband than by knowing the ins and outs of his job. Plus, it does keep the boredom off, too.
Hell? That's a fictious creation of the Christian Patriarchy to inspire fear of consequence in it's followers. It's also a rather new, in terms of humanity's length of time on this planet, developement.
I do not believe in your heaven, or your hell... And when you say 'but it believes in you'... well, that's funny, because there's many, much older religions out there, that have no concept of what Christians call Heaven and Hell...
By the way. Jesus was a Buddhist.
Cayora,
Perhaps you should take your own advice and read the title of this post. Xeno is neither Christian nor a wife, therefore the advice in the post is not directed toward her and I don't expect her to take it.
But thanks for being a respectful!
One other thing... Go read your Bible again. Public Prayer is Hypocrisy and Self Serving, there are no spiritual rewards for praying openly in public because Jesus states that those who pray in public do it merely for the earthly rewards of their peer and told his followers NOT to pray in public. Ever. But.. I suspect, like most Christians, you haven't actually READ the book you profess a belief in.
Anonymous,
That's nice, dear.
Oh? A total ignoring of what I say in truth to you? Typical of your type.
Typical of your type that you're anonymous.
Yes, Anonymous... So? Now, About that praying in public thing, are you going to heed your own gospels, specifically the one of Matthew and stop engaging in a behavior that is frowned upon?
AnnieAngel, however, you state the advice as though everyone should follow it, and imply that those who do not are going to hell. Therefore, you do have some stake in whether or not we agree with you. Obviously, you are trying to convince people. Therefore, you must be prepared to deal with the unconvinced with well thought-out arguments.
I wonder, do you believe that ever woman should do these things, or only those it works for?
I prayed for Jesus to reach out to Xeno. This is not a personal prayer to God that should be made in private. This is a prayer for Xeno's healing to Jesus.
I do not imply anyone will go to Hell for not following the ADVICE. It's advice, I'm not Jesus.
You will however go to Hell for not being a Christian.
ALL prayers are to be done in Private, as per Jesus' instructions to his own apostles when they asked him how to pray. ESPECIALLY those prayers in which you are acting and asking for another.
Thank you for responding to my question. Nonetheless, can you understand that in such a statement, meant to convince people to behave in a certain way. Therefore, those who disagree are just as likely, if not more likely, to respond. One must expect that. And, in truth, it is a good thing. It is how one learns, after all. Socrates taught us that.
I am not a hypocrite, I am not praying for Xeno in order to be seen as a righteous person, I'm praying for her healing. My intent is what is important here.
Now if you are done anonymously trolling can you stick to the topic?
Well good for Socrates. He had a good end didn't he.
I have no problem with people who don't agree responding, however I don't agree with people just jumping all over a woman who stays home and performs a vital role in our society. Which is what happened here.
Thank you for asking questions. It's how communication starts. I'm sick and tired of the feminists who think that only they are true women because they go out and steal jobs from men and ignore their children.
I find it interesting that you indict someone for trolling, and yet you support someone who has written a whole post about how to troll. But I don't know much about these things. Can you please explain it to me? I do so want to learn!
What is your problem with 'anonymous'? Any 'identity' I take on the net is in no way truly confirmable or any more 'real'.
The topic at hand is how 'Christian' wives are supposed to behave. I put before you that Christians are a minority in this world. You rebut with 'All non-Christians are going to hell' and I suspect that is truly how you believe.
You take from God something that he alone claims right to: Judgement. You infer, that these rules are 'Just for Christians', but you also believe that everyone on this world should be 'Christian' so that they will be spared the ravages of hell, Am I correct? So through a steady train of argument and thought, the rules you have layed out here are for EVERYONE, they just don't know it yet.
Am I close?
Oh, and I'll start signing these for you since you take offence at Anonymous posting.
Mindworm,
Do you have a point that has anything to do with the topic of this thread?
Tanya,
It's hard to tell who is who when posting as anonymous. You are not the only poster who posts anonymously, thank-you.
I'm not judging, it's a fact that if you are not saved, you go to Hell.
And it's not how Christian woman are SUPPOSED to act, it's my advice to women who ASKED for it on how to be a good Christian wife.
It's just advice, it's not being lobbied before Congress.
Please, I do not insult your beliefs, please do not insult mine. I am merely trying to speak of the fundementals of understanding what someone is saying. I have been polite throughout our interaction.
For the record, Socrates died for his beliefs as did our lord Jesus. And furthermore, St. Thomas of Aquinas, one of the foremost people to think about what Jesus had to say, relied upon the Socratic method himself. If Socrates is good enough for him, he is good enough for such minor thinkers as you and I.
At any rate, you made your point, several times over without responding to the points of others. If you are truly interested in communicating, then let's communicate, shall we?
Cayora,
How did I insult your beliefs, I don't even know what they are. How was I not polite?
Jesus died for YOU. I don't care what Thomas Aquinas had to say, the arguement that he was some kind of authority and is to be obeyed is not only weak but blasphemy.
I don't think you are interested in anything, truly. You don't like my advice so I don't know what else there is on this thread for us to debate.
Annie:
No, it is NOT a fact that people who are not 'saved' are going to 'hell'... There are NO facts to back that up... merely beliefs. Your belief says that because I don't believe, I go to hell, my belief says that religion is the biggest evil committed against the world throughout all of history... if we started tallying up arguments and such to back up our respective beliefs, I bet I would come out ahead...
And if you are offering it up as Advice... understand, that even Dear Abby apologizes when enough people write in and chastize her for poor advice that is a disservice to those seeking said advice.
Wow, such strong language.. Why?
What is wrong with me? Many things... but that's not the issue here.
I used to actively participate on religious boards... however, my time is occupied currently with more fruitful endeavours than the ever pointless religious belief of who's belief is right... We can argue all day long about gods we've never seen and never fail to side with me/you, to paraphrase a song lyric...
And... Why am I freaking you out? Explain please?
"A couple years ago I was bombarded with emails asking me how to please both Jesus and your Husband."
On your knees, of course.
Well, Tanya, for someone who hates Christians you seem to care an awful lot about advice Christians give each other.
Why is that? It's kind of freaky. I don't go bothering Muslim women telling them their advice to each other is wrong, nor do I tell them their religion is evil.
I understand you hate religion. I really don't care. Nothing you say will make me not be Christian.
So what's your game here? Are you just bored or are you insane?
May I refer you to my original points? I have not commented on the validity of your advice, although I could. I focus on helping you to understand the very conversation you are having.
You insulting my beliefs by insulted the father of them, Socrates. And then, you insult me by deliberately misstating what I had to say. I did not imply Thomas Aquinas should be obeyed, simply that he was a Christian, who knew and worked by the Socratic method. I was offering references for Socrates, as it were. I also believe one should know the history of one's own religion, but that's neither here nor there. If you can provide better thought than Socrates I would be delighted to hear that, and I mean that without any trace of sarcasm whatsoever. It is not blasphemy to enjoy using the mind God gave you.
Please, I do not tell you what you believe. I would appreciate the same courtesy. You did say you did not think I was interested in anything, therefore stating my beliefs for me. Courtesy is, after all, what allows us to have this conversation like civilized people.
Would you like me to start picking apart your actual advice?
Llama llama, mitosis, llama llama. >_> <_<
Cayora,
At this point, I could truly care less what you do. Your believe in a philosophy and that's your business not mine.
Socrates did not create the gods he believed in, so the father of your beliefs had his own beliefs. It's like a hall of mirrors...use your own mind, seek Jesus.
Oh, you misunderstand.. I hate ALL religion... and, if you look up hate, you'll understand that it's an antagonistic attractor.
Why do I go out of my way to deal most specifically with Christians?
Simple, I live in the United States, a country that is currently facing a very fundamental threat to one of its founding principals... The Freedom of Religion.
I take my Freedom Seriously... when someone says I have the freedom of religion, that means to me I have the freedom FROM relgion, in otherwords, because of my religious choice, or lack of one, I shall not become a second class citizen.
The current trend in the United States is in direct opposition to that founding principle. Non-Christians are becoming second class excluded citizens... and this disgusts me.
I suspect, that if you spoke Arabic, and had access to boards where muslim women gave each other advice, you would more than likely assault those beliefs that did not mesh with yours, as, under the founding principles of the United States would be your right.
Annie, are you okay? Are you okay? Are you okay, Annie?
You've been hit by -- you've been struck by a smooth Cheeses Freak!
Actually, Tanya, I participate in a number of religous board where I LEARN about Islam. I do not tell them they are wrong as it would do no good, but I learn from them so that I can understand how their mindset works.
I think you're paranoid. Christians are not out to get you!
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you.
Then why do they lead the fight to prevent abortion, sensible sex education, contraceptive training, infiltrate the schools of my children trying to force them to pray to a god they have no belief in, work to pass laws making it a requirement to post laws from the bible in classrooms... etc?
I can go on and on with examples of how Christianity directly attacks me on a daily basis. I won't, that's not on topic.. Granted... I think the topic is well askew from where we are currently at in this discussion.
Well, I'm pro-choice so you can have all the abortions you want as far as I'm concerned. I believe in free will. As does God.
So, by your logic, I should follow Zeus?
I simply ask you to think through what you are saying. If that is too difficult for you, then I am truly sorry for misjudging you. If your statements cannot stand in opposition to another, it is time to rethink them. You will convince more people that way. Bring more people to Jesus.
Did I bring up the gods that Socrates believed in? I don't believe I did, but please, tell me if I am mistaken.
Why listen to Socrates, indeed? Why listen to your preacher or to the translators of the Bible you are using? We listen to them because they have something to teach us.
Also, do you realize that the very argument of a hall of mirrors refers back to Socrates and Plato, who said that we see only shadows upon the wall of a cave, and seek to divine what is casting those shadows? This man you so blithely dismiss has already shaped your way of thinking. It would be a shame now to not attempt to understand it.
Surely, Jesus, being a rational man, will value your devotion so much more deeply if he knows it is not blind and unthinking. Also, what reason has anyone to follow your advice if they see you cannot back it up or think through it? One must have reasons, evidence, justifications for saying what one does, or what one says cannot carry any weight.
It is not the principals of religion but the principals of debate I am belabouring here. You have already proven you cannot do that reliably, by being goaded into saying, "fuck Dear Abby." Such words are not an argument but what those who cannot think say when they run out of indoctrined statements. I know you can do better.
By your logic, you should follow Zeus.
You are snarky and condescending and you think that you have some "knowlegde" that is above my belief in Jesus. Good for you! May it bring you comfort in Hell!
I was goaded into saying Fuck Dear Abby, was I? LOL! How many posts have you made here tonight? You've been goaded by your own ego, Cayora!! There is no debate to be had here, you either like the advice or you don't. But keep on repeating yourself. :)
:)
It's interesting, when one reads the Bible, how Jesus approaches women.
He approaches them like sensible, intelligent, interesting people.
As the Christian writer Dorothy L. Sayers wrote, "no wonder the women were the first at the cradle and the last at the cross. They had never met a man like this. If one read ONLY THE WORDS OF JESUS, one would never suspect that there was anything funny, unusual, dirty or unclean about female nature."
Jesus was a feminist - the women he associated with were not there to serve him but to love him and be loved by him. This was completely at odds with the culture around him and terrified the corrupt religious-political patriarchal leadership.
I trust I make my meaning clear.
I definitely second what Margaret said. Frankly, AnnieAngel, one thing that really disturbs me about your advice to wives is the thinly veiled hatred of women and female nature in it. You continually describe female emotion as "pouting", "feminine hysterics", and "PMS-induced crying jags", as if women were incapable of having sobre, considered opinions or genuine, valid emotions - including justified anger if their husbands withold affection or are overly critical of them. You brand female sexual desire as something dirty, something "only whores" feel, but you also dismiss all other kinds of female desire - such as that for a partner who is affectionate, attentive, and appreciative - as "pouting". As Margaret said, to consider half of humanity as essentially dysfunctional is not very Christian.
Also, if keeping a home and raising children is as important as you say it is, then haven't women who work at home (as well as those who work outside) earned a certain amount of RESPECT? If the wife's work is as important as the husband's, then why do you still tell her to act subserviant to him? Hasn't she earned the right to be taken seriously? To expect her husband's fidelity as a RIGHT, without resorting to strange tricks like fattening him up to try and make him less attractive to other women? Hasn't she earned the right to sit down at the table in her own house with her husband, as an equal, and maybe even have something intelligent to say about what's in the daily paper?
It seems that you all have wonderful relationships in which you would never ask anyone for advice.
I'm so happy for you!
But not all women have happy marriages, these are the women who write to me for advice. I'd add in a DUH but I don't want to hurt the feelings of any of these ladies who may be reading.
And again, none of you are Christian.
ThaMadGnome,
were to even consider this, I would be forced to have some stern words
When do stern words turn to fists??? You sound like a control freak to me.
I understand that there are many people who could benefit from relationship and marriage advice. I have no issue with your offering that. I think your particular advice is mistaken and can do a lot of harm, though, both to women and to their relationships. That's the reason I feel compelled to take issue with it.
Just out of curiosity, how can you be sure none of the posters here are Christian? I'm not, personally, but I know Margaret in real life and she is. If you took a quick show of hands about everyone's religion, you might be surprised.
I'm also not sure why you think your advice wouldn't be of any concern to non-Christians. You're not quoting your religion's dictates about how Christian women should behave; you're offering your own advice about what makes a happy and "good" marriage. That's more a psychological/social than a religious issue.
For example:
A high powered attorney with a big case is confronted in the morning with an atmosphere of peace or an atmosphere of a lazy wife who starts nagging the second he wakes up.
He has a lot on his mind! If he is treated as a partner by his wife, she will help get his things together, make his breakfast and allow him a time in the morning to do nothing but plan his day in court without distraction. There is no problem with him initiating conversation, but if he's thinking it's downright RUDE to distract him with piddly bullshit.
He does a better job, is in turn given better cases and earns more money for the family.
If his wife is not there to be his partner...well, he ends up with a job that lets him post on the internet all day.
A good wife is to be submissive to her Husband.
The Husband is the head of the family just as Jesus is the head of the Church. That is religous, Catherine.
The Husband is the head of the family just as Jesus is the head of the Church. That is religous, Catherine.
Even if one accepts that - and a lot of Christians don't, at least not in the sense in which you interpret it - what you're advocating goes way beyond that. You're not saying that wives should submit to their husbands' wills (as in, let the husband make decisions for the family as head of it), but that they should completely obliterate themselves and their own wishes and desires, all in favour of what they imagine to be their husbands' slightest whims. That's much more extreme than anything I've ever heard the Bible advocate.
Also, don't forget that Paul's admonition for wives to submit to their husbands as the church submits to Christ is followed by an instruction for husbands to love their wives as Christ loves the church. I can't really see Christ using the church to fulfill His smallest needs and then ignoring it, can you?
See, I was Christian once, I've read the occasional verse. :)
Seriously, though, what are your views on the husband's responsibilities towards his wife?
Also, in your lawyer example, you basically argue that a good partner would help her partner if he were in a stressful situation, and part of that help might be giving him space to get his work done. That's perfectly true, but a) that's an exceptional (stressful) situation, not an everyday one, and b) if that's true, then on days when the wife has an exceptional number of things to do, her husband should help out by making HER breakfast, picking up some of the chores, and being equally attentive to her mood. Partnership implies equality.
I'm still curious about why you assume that none of those leaving comments are Christian.
I am sorry, but I see no vulgarness here. This is a thread in which anyone may post. In fact, you yourself, Butler Thomas, wrote a thread advocating far worse behaviour than this. If you would like to take this into another format, I am more than willing.
If you notice, the dissenters are much more polite in this case.
Cayora,
I've been told that a post was removed from this thread which was nothing but a vulgar personal attack on me. I didn't see it but I'm told it was extremely abusive.
Catherine,
I do not say wives, as you say, "should completely obliterate themselves and their own wishes and desires, all in favour of what they imagine to be their husbands' slightest whims".
Women can live full lives and still support their families without resorting to being slaves. Being a wife and mother is a situation that many Christian women take extremely seriously! They find it a very fulfiling role to be responsible for raising the next generation! These women don't shove their kids in day care they stay home and raise them. It takes money to have all the things people want, and with a Husband who understands this, there needs to be certain sacrifices on BOTH sides.
He is working his ASS OFF to provide for all the niceties in life and he only gets to enjoy them on weekends and after work.
How DARE you imply that it is his WHIM to be treated with respect and love by his wife trying to make his home a place of quiet retreat and comfort.
In the long run, when the kids are gone and he retires....they have raised intelligent well loved children who will be productive members of society and they have earned enough money to see the world, start a business, whatever their dream may be.
This is the family that God wants for us. I'm sorry if you don't like it....actually I really don't care if you like it or not.
Now then, AnnieAngel, I now have the time to address your comments once more.
By your logic, you should follow Zeus.
Turning a sentence around is no more an argument than resorting to profanity. Maybe if you rephrase and support your point it will be more effective.
In response to your question of my character, I have behaved as politely as possible in this thread. I have not used profanity, nor have I insulted anyone. I see I must have stated my point poorly before. If that is the case, forgive me. I shall now state it in a clear and unadorned fashion.
I want you to think through what you are saying and respond to the points others have made here, rather than launching personal attacks. For example, you called TheMadGnome a control freak. I would dearly love to see how you respond to some of the things he actually said. Perhaps, and this is just a suggestion, you can get some men in here, saying that is how they want to be treated. So far, we have one man disagreeing with you. Are there any who agree?
For your sake, I will disregard your final paragraph of the post in question. You did seem to be upset.
Don't disregard it, it's the part you need to face. You think you're brilliant and clever but you're not. I don't care about Socrates, make a blog about how great he is and if I come over there and slam him you can get upset.
But here...I don't care if you don't like what I say. You need to realise that.
Or you can keep posting over and over to feed your self inflated ego.
Suit yourself. :) But I'm not going to go hunt up men for you, that's just strange for you to ask.
You sound like you have an obsession with me. Now will you think I said you actually do?
:)
Well you are the one making the assertion, therefore you are the one who must support it. Personal attacks are not valid arguments.
But, I am an obliging individual. Since you ask me to deal with your final paragraph, I will.
Yes, you were goaded into saying "fuck Dear Abby," since you had no other way to respond. You made emotional response, using profanity to a valid assertion. You did not counter the assertion, simply dismissed it. This is not the way to convince others.
My motives for posting here are simple, and not motivated by ego. I believe that anyone, no matter how much I disagree with them, should be able to support what they say and do it well. I am trying to help.
Now then, about my being here. You support this very thing, so you cannot rightly complain about it when it happens to you.
And, for the record, this is a service I would provide for anyone who needs it and frequently do.
Now then, to reiterate, a personal attack is not a valid argument. Respond to the points raised. You will be more convincing for it.
I respond to trolls any way I choose. I do not have to answer to points I find invalid such as what Dear Abby would or would not do if she were me and being trolled by a crazy person. That's stupid. For instance, in response to you I could say, if I choose:
You are nothing but a great big looser who has no life and so is trolling this blog to pimp out the religion of Socratic love and peace through condescension.
The rest of your post makes sense only to yourself and your drug induced stupor. Yes, that's personal, but seriously? You're boring, you're trolling and I don't like you.
As you wish, then. You may say what you will, it would simply behoove you to say it well. This is all I am saying. I am not ordering you to do anything, simply telling you how to do what you are doing well.
However, you take what I am saying as a personal offense, and respond with attacks that do not help your situation. If you want to argue, it would behoove you to know how to do it. This is not about whether you like me or not. This is about saying what you are saying well.
And, tell me, how is trying to help a person win a debate, despite being insulted for doing so, trolling?
At any rate, I will leave you to your loss. It cannot be said that I did not try. If you ever want to use these tools I have laid before you, they will always be here.
And, did you notice, I never insulted you once. I didn't need to.
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Godfearing,
Yawn.
Cayora,
It behooves me to say that you attempted to control the conversation here to your own ends to feed your ego. That is trolling. There is no debate to be had on advice not intended for you.
Now run along back under your bridge and pray to shadows on the wall.
Is that you speaking in tongues, now?
I would not allow
Your words, not mine.
Is English your first language? You seem to have trouble with it, as do a few other posters here.
If you're going to go about with ad hominem attacks on people's spelling, perhaps you should do as Jesus said and take the LOG OUT OF YOUR OWN EYE, Annie. Look up dysfunction. It is not spelled with an i between the d and the s.
I didn't say anything about spelling or grammar, I asked if English was his first language because he seems to be haiving trouble with the useage, it seems stilted and off somewhat.
As do a few other posters on here.
Women have free will. They're like human beings that way.
I would insist if she wishes the relationship to continue, she cease said behaviors
Fascist!
The more you argue, the more holes you dig yourself, Annie.
"Who the HELL are you *allowing* woman how to act?"
This sounds very much like funny usage. I can't make sense of it.
Sorry that you're stoopid.
*eye roll*
There's this amazing editing technique called "read it out loud to see if it makes sense." Hmm, it didn't make sense. Somehow, I don't think that makes me stupid.
Now, on a linguistic level, I can analyze it.
"Who the HELL are you *allowing* woman how to act?"
interrogative pronoun, determiner, potty-mouth word, verb, subject, verb, random noun, interrogative pronoun, infinitive verb construction
Right.
What does this "allowing woman how to act" part of the sentence MEAN? It comes out as nonsense. Gibberish. I would guess that you meant a plural noun, i.e. women, but how can I be sure? And you're not kind enough even in the Christian sense to do anything but call me stupid--and misspell it.
You poor dear. Ignorance like that hurts everyone around you.
Gnomey,
You're the one who uses stern word and decides what a woman is allwoed to do.
That makes you:
A reactionary or dictatorial person.
I am educated. You obviously are having trouble reading what I write and comprehending at the same time.
You are repeating yourself. Call me ignorant again and I'll have your posts removed.
And you should really have your trolls use different IPs and different styles of writing, looser.
Annie, you said,
Women can live full lives and still support their families without resorting to being slaves.
Indeed they can. But not being able to sit down to breakfast with your husband - supposedly your loving partner - because the noise might disturb him, having to submit to his sexual advances every time regardless of whether you want to do so, and not being able to articulate your real opinions because he shouldn't have to deal with your "feminine hysterics" - those are the actions of a slave, not a wife. And I fail to see how the woman you describe in your advice could feel fulfilled. Aside from cooking for her husband and organising his life, you only have her watching soap operas! Surely women who work at home can spend their time writing, volunteering, socialising with friends, making art, taking classes? Where is the fulfillment?
Being a wife and mother is a situation that many Christian women take extremely seriously! They find it a very fulfiling role to be responsible for raising the next generation!
And so it is. But I fail to see how waiting on your husband hand and foot every day has anything to do with that. Moreover, I hope a lot of Christian men take their responsibilities as fathers and husbands seriously, loving and supporting their wives and taking an active role in raising their children, rather than just bankrolling the family. I know several who do.
These women don't shove their kids in day care they stay home and raise them.
It may surprise you, but there are many families - yes, two-parent families as well as single-parent - where both parents HAVE to work, sometimes two jobs, to support their family. It doesn't make them bad parents.
How DARE you imply that it is his WHIM to be treated with respect and love by his wife trying to make his home a place of quiet retreat and comfort.
I said no such thing. I don't think a man's desire for respect and love is a whim, any more than a woman's desire for respect and love is "pouting". I think that wanting a particular snack as soon as he comes in the door, or being annoyed by his wife's chair squeaking, are whims, and that it's unreasonable to expect his wife not only to anticipate them, but to put aside whatever she's doing and stifle her feelings (her "pouting", as you put it) to accomodate them.
This is the family that God wants for us. I'm sorry if you don't like it....actually I really don't care if you like it or not.
What's your evidence that that's what God wants, besides Paul's verse, which I've already addressed?
Catherine,
You don't seem to understand that this is not a debate. If you don't like the advice don't follow it. If you don't like Jesus, burn in Hell.
It's that simple.
Annie... I'll reiterate once again for you:
Do NOT Take from God that which he alone holds authority over.
Judgement.
ONLY GOD determines who goes to hell and not, and while he may have said certain things that he will condemn people to hell for, it is NOT your place to tell people they are or are not going to hell. Even if you think you're right in saying so, it's still no your place to tell people. It is GOD'S place to judge, not your's.
Plus, I would recommend that you go and reread Butler's post about how to control a liberal comment thread, and realize that you've had all his tactics used against you here in this thread.
Bye Bye Now...
Tanya,
Do you really think I believed any of the posters on this thread were here to do anything other than flame and troll? Give me a break, it's been obvious from the second post that this thread has been hijacked. I mean, there are close to 100 posts on this thread while the other threads are pretty much ignored, with the exception of Butler's Open Thread post.
So, um, DUH, someone sent out a call to the liberal trolls and you all descended like a plague of frogs.
You know what we do to frogs?
We GIG 'EM!!!
LOL, seriously, get a grip.
And I'm not judging anyone, it's just a fact that if you aren't saved through Christ, you're going to burn in the pits of Hell. I don't care how you scream and bitch about it, it's a FACT.
I suggest you REPENT. If you aren't here to troll, if you came here on your own, I apologize for lumping you with the rest of the trash on this thread.
But if you did come here on your own, consider you may have been led here for a reason and that you can't seem to leave for the same reason....
Jesus is calling. Calling poor sinner come home.
Dear Annie,
I an newly married and my husband has made a request of me that I find somewhat embarrassing- he wants anal intercourse.
Up until now I have said no but each time I say no he says I am being selfish.
Should I surrender to my husaband's wishes? What would Jesus want me to do?
I can just see this \"guide\" stuck to the fridge of the James Dobsons and the Jerry Falwells of the world, the disappoving, unloving husbands, sorry masters, pointing at it with a grimace whenever their possession of a wife does something as disrespectful as sitting at the breakfast table or trying to initiate lovemaking.
This is like a little electronic window into the dark ages.
"it's just a fact that if you aren't saved through Christ, you're going to burn in the pits of Hell. I don't care how you scream and bitch about it, it's a FACT."
I think if something hasn't occurred yet you can hardly call it a FACT.
What you think doesn't matter. Turn or burn, accept Christ!
Liberals have a problem understanding Jesus' teachings in the bible because they haven't read it in the original Klingon.
And Angel Annie, if I may be so bold: Lord Ja-hay-sus! that's a great set of gams!!! You have been blessed, child.
[Kin ah git an' A-men?]
Thanks Annie. I haven't had that good a laugh for a year or so. My girlfriend looked up to see what was so funny.
I think you misunderstand why people come on to speak, Annie. It's not because they wish to troll or insult you.
It's because they disagree with your ideas. Personally, I find them degrading and repulsive. Women and Men are equal. You should be more worried about the way Jesus' words have been manipulated to make you think this way than whether people disagree with you.
Please, reread the New Testament. Jesus advocates peace and understanding amongst all humans, regardless of gender and even of religion.
Understand that people have replied to this because you are insulting a vast number of people who disagree with your view of the world - that wives should be slaves to their husbands. You have chosen to air your views on a public forum and it is their right to share their opinions on what is your own opinion. I do not advocate personal attacks but people have the right to defend their opinions.
You do your own beliefs an injustice by responding to people's valid criticisms by ignoring their arguments and concentrating on calling them trolls. If you are going to post statements like this, you will find you will have to defend them against the many that disagree with them. As a commentator on this site you are meant to create discussion. This is a two-way thing and requires you to engage with your commentators when they have questions with your topic.
Thank you. I hope you will consider what I have said without dismissing it out of hand.
Proverbs gives a far better summation of what makes a good wife than this list, which reminds me more of all those Total Woman fools back in the 70's who'd come to the door to greet their husbands wrapped in saran wrap than of anything based in Christianity - this is about appearances. Christianity is about what's real and enduring.
The woman of Proverbs is industrious both in and out of her home. She is a homemaker and business woman and strength and dignity are her clothing. What you are suggesting here is to humble yourself, not before the Lord, but before your husband.
There is neither dignity nor strength in being a slave. In fact, you are being disrespectful to your husband by infantilizing him and by assuming if he's not fat he'll be unfaithful, as though he has no conscience or self control.
I could be overlooking something, but nowhere in this list do I see anything about prayer, study, or contemplation as a part of a Christian wife's duty. My husband wants a wife who can think, who is independent, who stands with him before the Lord as an equal, because in Christ there is no male or female.
Sister Annie,
I would ask you to look to Paul's first letter to the Corinthians, chapter 13. Do you speak with love, faith and hope? Love is patient, kind, unboastful, not proud, not rude, not easily angered. Love keeps no record of wrongs. If you love Christ, follow the teachings of his disciples, and practice love.
That which you abhor, please do not unto others.
Brain,
I would ask you to ask yourself the same question.
You're on here to troll me, I'm not an idiot, we've got a stat counter, I can SEE that I've been getting a million hits and therefore someone has sent out a call to troll me!
You are a HYPOCRITE! You will call Lord Lord but HE WON'T HEAR YOU! HE DOESN'T KNOW YOU!
REPENT!! THE TIME IS AT HAND WHEN EVERY KNEE SHALL BEND UNTO THE LORD OUR GOD AND YOUR KNEE SHALL BEND TOO, UNBELIEVER!
Why does the use of frozen orange juice indicate one's whorishness? Does orange juice from a carton mean one is merely a slut but not a full-fledged whore?
You're Baptist, aren't you?
And what the hell is up with that "whorish" icon of naked legs in whore shoes????? A "good wife" would never show her legs like that to anyone other than her husband and only if he asks her to! FOR SHAME!
Are you caling me a plagerist?
If you haven't accepted Christ, if you don't believe in Him, you better be a law observing Jew, or you're going to BURN!
That's a fact. If you don't like BIBLICAL TRUTHS, I can't help you.
I'll pray for your heart to soften and for you to find Jesus.
Jesus died and went to Hell and was ressurected and He did that FOR ME AND FOR YOU, so that we can live forever with Him in Heaven.
Wow.
I'm really happy I'm going to hell.
This piece of advice, in particular, was really interesting to me.
"When choosing a dessert, remember a fat man is a faithful man and a full man falls asleep fast. Use lots of rich icings and creamy fillings."
What benefit is there in a man who falls asleep fast? That way you don't have to have sex or talk or otherwise have a relationship?
I don't get the fat=fidelity thing either. Is that really the only way you think you can keep your husband faithful?
But, hey, whatever works for you. If this lifestyle makes you happy, that's great. It sounds awfully lonely to me with very little opprotunity for a real emotional connection.
I'm just really thankful that my husband would hate the kind of wife you describe.
Thank God, he's going to hell with me!
M
Ayre,
If you don't put up a link to where you found that, unless you wrote it, I will have to delete it.
I skimmed it looking for the link. Thanks.
I assume by "Catholic" you mean Papist? Why SHOULD you be a Papist?
Unless you WANT to go to Hell?
Don't try to spread your Papist BULLSHIT here. You're NOT CHRISTIAN if you exclude people from the communion table.
Period. And if you worship a man, like the POPE, you're going straight to Hell.
LOL! You're going on about your "wise grandfather" and your "papists don't attend church" PROPAGANDA.
Papists are FORCED to give 10 percent of their earnings to the church! To the same church that happens to be the LARGEST landowner in the WORLD. And if you think I'll let your papist propaganda go un-denounced, you've got another thing coming.
I AM VIGILANT FOR THE LORD!
VIGILANT!
MORMONS!!!
LOL! I learned about your religion on South Park.
Your guy was a SCAMMER who was killed in a jailcell!
He got his "scripture" from the Sorting Hat! HARRY POTTER IS SATAN'S LITTLE MESSENGER!!
Moroni-ites are NOT CHRISTIANS!
Are you wearing your sacred undies? If not then according to your religion YOU'RE A WHORE!!
Oh, this is so funny!! I'm laughing fit to split!
JESUS IS THE FULFILLMENT OF THE TEN COMMANDMENTS!
GET THEE BEHIND ME SATAN!
Maybe you should think about finding a religion that isn't a cult?
How many sister-wives do you have?
Yeah, you'll show me when your Husband is dead and is "god" of his our planet and you're just one of his many spirit wives pumping out spirit babies to populate his new world. :D
Hope you got wide hips!
Of his "own" planet, that should read. Cuz like, men get their own planets in Mormon heaven. :D
I think anyone can talk to God.
So what does Jesus think of you killing your husband? Yes you are killing him, clogging his arteries with all those snacks and rich deserts to make him fat. Maybe you should start thinking up a post about how to be a good widow soon. Or research tasty recipes that are low fat and low cal. And what would you do if your husband wanted YOU to ask for sex?
I must have missed where I advised women to force food down their Husband's throats.
Oh so sorry, I didn't know your husband is a lumberjack. Then he needs all those calories. I say you make him some cookies right now. But does a lumberjack really never want YOU to jump him? And the legs on your blog are great as well as those naked torsos.
Is idiotism a word?
Why do you people have a problem with Christian women living a proper decent life which promotes family values and a strong society, both economically and culturally?
Quote # 3
3. DO NOT be a clingy wife! Your Husband has a lot on his minds in the morning, planning out his busy day. Do not try to engage him in conversation about what your plans for the day are or other trivial matters. Always walk him to the door. Make sure to carry with you any of the things he has forgetton so he doesn't need to go back for them. Offer yourself for a kiss, but if he is too busy to notice DO NOT POUT. He has a lot of responsibility and the morning is not the time for feminine hysterics.
This just goes to show you how much attention is paid when 158 people read your post and leave comments.
Just exactly HOW MANY MINDS DOES YOUR HUSBAND HAVE?
P.S. George Duh-Bull-Ewe Shrub is the Anti-Christ and he is taking us all to hell. Hope you are ready to burn. And I guarantee that Lucifer only serves Frozen Orange Juice.
Lady. DO YOU HAVE A LIFE?!?! waiting on your husband hand and foot. GOD PLEASE! Smite this woman. how can any woman do this every day without over docing on vicadin?!?!?!
I don't need drugs to handle my household. You must be a very weak woman, kara!
FutureSonicWorker, thanks for pointing out my typo. I'll fix it so you'll be able to sleep tonight.
No one can take anyone with them to Hell. As Shakespeare said, "Everyman's duty is to the King, but everyman's soul is his own." Might not be an exact quote but it's close.
Well. Thank you very much. I would much rather work at Sonic than sit at home waiting for some fat slob that cant take care of himself.
Foodface,
And you will!
If you truly consider yourself a Christian then this world as a whole is in some serious trouble.
Only someone brainwashed by the lies and terroristic philosophies of the AntiChristBush himself, would post a list of this nature, claiming to be a Christian, and then trolling thru the comments with nothing but namecalling and explicit words.
You, my dear, need some serious help.
You're calling Bush the Anti-Christ and you think I'm the one who needs help?
LOL!
I have a question--don't you assume that a woman will be a stay-at-home mom? I am in the process of becoming an attorney (in my 3d year of law school), and I am a woman. Your whole post, if it is serious and not some kind of April Fool's joke, assumes that the wife will not be working. However, in today's economy, that's simply not viable for most people. How do you reconcile the realities of economics with this paradigm of womanhood you have set up? And is it your belief that women should not work outside the home?
Women working outside the home is the reason that women "need" to work outside the home.
Women in the work force is ruining our society.
So wait--what denomination of Christian are you?
Wait just a second! What's with that icon, AnnieAngel?!? I'm trying to reconcile your foul language and slutty icon with your professed Christian beliefs, and it's not adding up. This whole thing has gotta be a joke--a woman with a trucker mouth and slutty icon masquerading as an conservative Christian?
Kate
Obviously, the reason she can not initiate sex is she doesn't want her husband to see those thunderthighs that are carefully disguised with the high heel shoes and creative cropping.
Slutty icon? How is a picture of my legs slutty?
Because they're sexy?
Professed beliefs?
I love it, the trolls come on judging me for in their mind judging others and then they top it all off by judging my character by my legs!!
I think you're all on drugs.
Ohhh, can you feel the envy, dear lurkers? Can you smell the twinkie sweat rolling down Futurefatgirls pudgy little face?
:)
Hey, I'm not judging you for judging others. As I said, I'm just trying to reconcile your conservative Christian viewpoints with a picture that is, yes, sexually suggestive--a woman's bare legs all the way up to her hip. I'm not judging your character by your legs, Annie. However, what picture you use as your icon, which is the image you have chosen to represent you, contradicts a woman who is conservative, Christian, and not supposed to initiate sex or be a slut.
So now that picture makes me a slut?
You're burying yourself in the hole you thought you were digging for me, kate. :)
No it's not. It's your mind that makes a simple picture of a pair of legs, "slutty."
I'm famous for my legs. They're the best on the net.
Whores use sex for their own personal gain. When you initiate sex, you are thinking about your selfish desires and not about your Husband. If he wants sex, he'll let you know.
I just looked at her other site and I really don't think this is serious anymore.
Annie, you're not even married?
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Let me first start out by saying this is your blog and you chose to do what you wish and say what you wish with your space.
At the same token you also leave your comments open for people to bash you, so expect it when you spew ignorant nonsense from your mouth.
As a Christian woman I am mortified by what you have written in regards to being Christian and the way your household (and you) are run.
You are quite apparantly brainwashed- please do not blame Jesus for this. His sacrafices were for our sins, not your stupidity. What you call "A good Christian wife" is actually a discrace to all woman and maybe it is your fellow readers that should be praying over you.
Oh, and by the way, did you just call me a whore?
"No it's not. It's your mind that makes a simple picture of a pair of legs, 'slutty.'"
--Actually, Annie, it's not my mind but standards of decorum set by our society that makes a picture of a woman's bare legs--from her high-heeled shoes to her uncovered hip--slutty. The very same society that makes "baggy clothing that exposes a boy's bottom" inappropriate.
"I'm famous for my legs. They're the best on the net."
--Oh you! Now I know you're a Christian, because you could only make that claim if you haven't seen the legs of the other women on the Internet! LOL.
My avatar was taken in my yard and I NEVER expected the hissing-hordes-of-uglies to flip out as much as they have. Nor did I expect the repeated comments that I HAVE THE BEST LEGS ON THE INTERNET.
Both can't be true, and well....you have obviously equated sexy FOR AN ADULT with SLUTTY....therefore you're creating a double standard for pretty girls.
I don't think you wear long pants all summer. Or maybe you do...I can help you with some suggestions to get in shape and eat right if you'd like....
"Created a double standard for pretty girls?" LOL--I think it's pretty clear that is not what I'm saying.
Of course I don't wear long pants all summer, Annie. But I also don't wear skirts/shorts that reveal my legs up to my hip--my bottom would be hanging out, and that's not very ladylike, classy, or Christian. A Christian woman should exhibit some modesty, I do believe.
If your "bottom" would hang out of shorts you REALLY need to get to a gym! You can fix that with a bit of exercise!
LOL--if any one wore shorts that revealed that much of their hip, their bottom would hang out of their shorts.
Only if they have a saggy, flabby "bottom."
Annie dont post about things you dont know about. and im not weak and this isnt the 50s and we dont run around to box socials and wear poodle skirts. Join us in the 21st century.
Only if they have a "saggy, flabby bottom"? Not true, actually--I've seen plenty of girls in shorts too short who didn't have "saggy, flabby bottoms." Of course, I'm not suggesting that you do, either, I'm simply saying that short-shorts are not modest. This have nothing to do with a weight obsession, just modesty.
Angie,
Apparently it is okay for a 'good Christian' wife to say have a sailor's mouth.
You are misguided. Very misguided.
Are you serious??????
Your profile lists Boogie Nights as one of your favorite movies.
I'm just wondering... which one of those Godly Christian kids in the movie was your favorite character?
Holy crap have you people never heard of satire? Sarcasm?? Anybody?!?
Rebekah,
Are you referring to your statement that your Husband likes you to act the whore for him?
I don't understand what you're asking me...and I don't think I want to...
Becks,
If I want to call you names I will. At least I'm honest in my speech, not like you.
If you want to ACT THE WHORE for your Husband...go on and degrade yourself. I really don't care, but thanks for sharing! Now everyone reading this knows your sexual habits.
Wow, that's classy!!
Why are you sharing you and your Husband's sexual relationship with me? Are you a voyeur? Is he reading this in anticipation of you becomming so excited by arguing with me that you'll jump him a good one??
??
I have told you over and over that if you want to demean yourself and be a selfish person who thinks only about herself....I don't care. But keep it to yourself!!
Timmah420, as has been explained to you, you are not welcome to troll this blog, or my blog. Your opinion of me matters little to me, and Brad at sadlyno.com is just after my attention in any way he can get it.
He's smitten and doesn't understand that I'm not interested.
The same way you don't seem to understand that you're stalking me.
Okay, so I've read the post and also through all of the comments. That being said, Annie, I've got to say that NOT ONCE has anybody commenting here resorted to calling YOU names, yet you seem to have had a derogatory name or comment for anybody and everybody who doesn't agree with you.
You ask people to be polite in their comments, but you can't give the same in return??!? Calling people whores, bitches, trolls or whatever is not polite, and only insults your OWN intelligence.
I'll tell you this much, I know lots of Christians, and they are nothing like you. You are so misguided it's not even funny. I also notice that you didn't respond to the comment where someone said "Annie? You're not even married?!" It wouldn't surprise me. I am, and have been for 11 years. My husband would never dream of asking me to be the good little submissive wife your post suggests women be.
As for sex, it's not supposed to be a chore, Annie. Sounds like you don't know what good sex is, or you'd have no qualms about initiating it yourself!
Well the worst things people have said to me have been deleted. I have however been told WHAT I THINK by many of the posters on here. I find that interesting. The extrapolations that people come up with make me laugh.
What is up with the SEX SEX SEX?? Why do you want to discuss sex? WHy don't you go HAVE SEX and stop bothering me?
You came on here with your oh-so-condescending tone and your bullshit about how calling a troll a troll is not polite, yet WHY ARE YOU HERE other than to be impolite to ME?
SHEESH! You are such a hypocrite!
Those other ladies could learn a bit about honesty from the two of you. However, bragging about your whoredom will not get you into Heaven. I'm sure you know how many whores are beaten by both their pimps and their "johns." And of course STD's are a perk of your work. Don't you care that decent man will ever want you??
she was being perfectly polite and unhypocritical
"You will however go to Hell for not being a Christian."
you will go to limbo thankyou
please actually read the bible
LIMBO? You're PAPISTVOODOOMUMBOJUMBO has NO POWER HERE!
Why don't you go and put on your hair shirt and your spiky gauntlet and beat yourself in the head with a plank? Pies jesu Domine...WHACK...Dona eis Requiem...LOL!
Where is "here"?
It's not my place to say who should go to Hell, just who will go to Hell. If you are not saved, you go to Hell. If the murderer repented his sin, he would turn himself in and take his punishment, being "caught" is not the issue, God sees all.
All who are saved go to Heaven. All who are not saved go to Hell. Unless you're a law abiding Jew.
"Fathers rarely play anything other than a disciplinary role and children need something more than that."
That's the saddest sentence. If my husband, the father of our three wonderful kids, did nothing but discipline them, we'd be in counseling. He teaches them, loves them, guides them, spends hours playing with them, gives them their baths, and puts them to bed each night after scriptures and prayers. That's only the beginning of every thing he does for them.
I guarantee that while it might make your husband happy to have such a willing slave, Jesus ain't thrilled with it. For starters, He doesn't want any women calling other women whores.
Wow, Sassy! You make Dog the Bounty Hunter look positively stoopid! But of course I'm not going to let you flame me here. I mean, really!
Smige, I never once said men are more important than women.
As a moderator, my decisions are final. All discussion about my decisions will be deleted.
Well spoken Darla.
I truely hope you typed this out as a joke, as a man, yea sure, i would love for these things, but hello its 2006, not 1940, women work and have rights now. No woman should have to do any of this stuff, and I certainly don't expect my wife to, I can get my own breakfast, and my wife works later in the day than I do, and I love that she gets to sleep in.
Whores initiate sex????? I'm pretty sure God gave a husband and a wife sex so they can have it when they want it, not just when the man wants it.
You need to get out of the 40's and welcome to today.
Chris
OPTION 3: Be a dick, comment off topically about how you feel sorry for everyone who has actually made contentful posts, as well as their current and future children.
*rolls eyes*
Tina,
I'm SICK AND TIRED of people assuming because I have a STRONG personality that I am not a Christian. YOU are the Christ pisser here! YOU are the MOCKER of all that is GOOD and HOLY and I can't wait until Judgement Day so you can find yourself burning in the lake of fire with all your other SINNER FRIENDS!
LAUGH IT UP! MOCK! But a day is coming, when you WILL bend your knee unto God and you WILL be JUDGED by Him for your SINS!! :)
You came on here just to JUDGE and MOCK and PISS on CHRIST!
Oh and I love how you act like you are ABOVE everyone on else this forum! You are an agent of SATAN, you're his BITCH, I'm so happy for you! Please never repent, please continue on your path because YOU ARE DAMNED to HELL and it makes me HAPPY!
Very funny post...I'm surprised so many people took you seriously.
Loved the part about keeping the remote by the chair...and the fresh squeezed orange juice -- hilarious!
You find the fact that most of the people who posted on this thread are going to Hell FUNNY? You don't think it's SERIOUS?
I hope your still laughing while you burn, Mary.
"We are christian. And we believe that our God has many different names but essentially we all have one creator."
Ummm, you're not Christian.
You know something, May? That's twice now you said you were expecting insults and whatever. You also posted pretty much the same thing twice. You have no respect and are behaving badly, therefore consider yourself ignored until you grow up.
Because she can't. She's not smart enough to debate with you.
So May comes back on and continues with her bad behavior and then Kim comes on and out of nowhere tosses in an ad hom.
You don't deserve any real response from me, as you are not seeking one. You just want to judge and point fingers and call names.
*yawn*
I think that we should let Annieangel believe what she believes
How fucking magnanimous of you. *rolls eyes*
I absolutely must ask you if you just did the "Motherwise" Bible Study, because you are having the exact same reaction I did.
Actually, I think Annieangel is a male... only a male could truly appreciate what he will never have--the Stepford wife WITH A SEXY BODY-- NOPE. Sorry. Organic Orange Juice wives usually weigh about two hundred or more pounds. Which is why they are organic orange juice wives. Otherwise, they'd be rivaling for McDonald's hamburgers every day (or Carl's Jr. or whatever you like.)
I found this to be quuuuite amusing, thankyouverymuch.
Actually I have a beautiful body, I eat McDonald's about once a year, but I would rather eat healthy meals that I prepare myself. Being a fitness professional, my body is not only extremely sexy, but healthy and fit. And I'm one hundred percent woman, you sexist cow. How dare you judge me for the same thing you are doing? Who are you to say how a woman should act if you don't think I have the same right??? LOL!! You must be HUGE if you think all woman are fat!!
And to the other person, if you wish to practice Spiritual whorefare on your Husband, go right ahead. *rolls eyes*
Well Erin, no one said you should ask your wife to not "squeak" her chair, this is not a list of things for a man to tell his wife to do, it is a list of advice for women to make themselves better Christian wives.
The purpose of not "squeaking" the chair is for a Husband who has a lot on his mind to not be distracted by such a sound. Obviously you don't have much on your mind. That's good because if you did, you admit yourself that your wife not only doesn't respect you enough to not make noise to distract you, but would actually make noise purposefully.
That's sad. :(
No Rrrabit, if he's a plumber you should spit in his eggs.
No shit you're not a Christian. A Christian is NOT all kindness and light when confronted with attacks from sinners. None of you are interested in the advice on how to serve your Husband, and NONE of you are interested in serving Christ.
You are here to piss on His name and you expect me to take it just because you have this false belief that as a Christian I will stand for your crap.
Interesting, do you pinch babies too??
I'm not Jesus, I'm not perfect but I am forgiven. I will NOT sit here and take shit from asshole trolls who think they are funny and witty to be flaming me just because they think I'll take it, or that I SHOULD take it.
You don't like the advice? I don't care. The ones who take it will profit from it, and YOU all will burn in Hell. I think that's a good thing.
And to the trolls I deleted...bite me.
If you want to learn about how to not go to Hell, I suggest you read the Bible. Start at the New Testament. You cannot learn to be a proper Christian if you are not a Christian, therefore I suggest you repent and ask Christ to enter into your heart before you begin to read the Bible, and before you do anything else at all.
Do it right now, admit you're a sinner and that Jesus is God, ask Him to forgive your sins and to make your soul clean from the filth of your own righteousness.
As to being taken for granted, truthfully many of the women who write to me asking for adivce are already feeling that way. Why? Because of PC bullshit and feminists who are trying to force women to feel like being a proper wife is equal to being a slave.
What my advice does is gives women the tools to not only make their marriage better, but to make their homes better and to help their Husband's to be able to provide even more for the family. It is not slavery, it is partnership. But of course you have been educated by those with their own agendas, agendas which see a strong family unit as a threat. Such as Liberals.
Now go and find Jesus, then find Christianity.
Praise be, sister! Hallelujah and absolutely!
Why women don't content themselves with their place in serving men, men who spend their days moving civilisation to the future and new frontiers, is beyond me.
You've obviously learned earlier than most what you must do to best serve humanity and the Lord. Our most humble and wise illustrious Leader would be pleased in Margaret Atwood's vision moving to reality.
Thank you for a very inspiring posting...
Ewww. Why do people come on here and post their sexual habits? Why does Dana think I care that she's a whore? I don't know her and I don't care to know her, yet she comes on here and double posts the fact that she's a whore.
It's just creepy. But hey, I'm sure there may be others out there reading this....so hey everyone! Dana's a whore! Her Husband loves it when she posts that fact on the internet!! Click her blog, maybe you'll get lucky! Wait, what do I mean, "maybe", she's a WHORE! :)
Dana, your comment has been removed. All further off-topic posts attacking the character of our contributors will be deleted on site. If you cannot cease and desist with the trolling you will also be deleted on sight.
Any truly educated, worldy, and masculine man would not want to be married to you- as you hold such a peasant-like mentality. I feel sorry for you that your life will be wasted on housework when there is a whole world out there, a world of intelect and stimulation. Sounds like you are married to a homosexual because a masulin man would want his woman to be a glamourous lady, not a slave in the kitchen.
I am so glad that I did not have a mother like you, you are doing your girls an injustice. Perhaps you should think about changing your life...because it sounds like you are brainwashed.
I think there must be a stupid bug going around and you ladies have caught it. I don't think any of you have actually read either
1. My actual advice and follow-up posts
or
2. Your own response to this thread.
Please get som rest, drink lots of fresh OJ and REPENT!
Juicy, I'm going to ignore the silliness of your comments because you've said nothing new.
I mean, read the thread, this has all been covered before.
No one gives a shit about your life, no one cares about your Husband, you've wasted a lot of energy here and for nothing. You're hardly original and hardly interesting.
I hope you don't think Jesus approves of you, but I only hope that because Jesus wants me to let you know you're a sinner and that you need to repent.
Personally, women like you, ignorant bigmouths who go around and spew all over the place make me sick.
No one cares about anything you say except yourself, it's all personal CRAP. You probably make your friends hate you by boring them to death and they most likely run when they see you coming.
To anyone else about to post the same thing that has been posted a million times before....read the thread! Don't allow your arrogance to make you think you can add anything to this....stick a fork in this baby, it's pretty much done.
I really can't believe you people are allowed to vote, reproduce and drive cars.
It's mindboggling how STOOPID you all are.
As I've said, I have no further interest in replying to IDIOTS who think they have something original to say, it's all been said by the idiots who came before you, SHEESH!
All further comments to this post will be deleted.
I suggest you all find Jesus.
*kisses Annie*
Wow, I'm not Christian, but maybe I should commit to one. Finally, a considerate woman who does not put herself first before the entire uinverse and expect the rest of the world to slave away at her self-absorbed whims...
"Fuck Dear Abby! What is wrong with you?"
Very interesting to see such a devout christian woman using such language.
How long exactly have you been married, Annie? And I am curious to know how many as well.
Women, for your information, are equal to a man in every aspect of the word. A man can cook, clean and keep a house just as well as a man.
Adam and Eve are equals and made to be so. I am so sorry that you were so unfortunate to see your life as meaningless as a speck of dirt. I pray that you will be like Saul- First he was blind, then God opened his eyes to the truth and now who is he?
My husband and I are God-fearing Christians. My husband also has told me to NEVER act as this woman says to. He said this is not what the Bible says to do, as we are to care for one another. My husband is also a 3rd generation pastor. However, if this set of rules is what is keeping this couple on track and they find nothing wrong with it, then we aren't to judge them or point out our opinions. If this works for them, we shouldn't object. Instead we need to be encouragement for this woman.
I tried to make my wife read your wise advice about how a to please her husband, but she replied that "only whores read blogs... much less write them".
Any advice on how can I circumvent such objection?
That list is incomplete. It left off "Don't let wimmins on the computer. Men invented computers and the internets, not women. The woman should only be given a typewriter. A (wo)manual typewriter."
Annie! I am a Christian husband with a Christian wife and what you have described is my marriage fantasy.
I'm going to hypnotize my wife and read these instructions to her, pronto!
Ok, that last statement is not true because hypnotizing people is a sin...so I'll just get back to praying for this fantasy to become a reality!
You rock!
Needing scripture to help me be a good christian wife when my husband is not a christian husband that would be pleasing to God. He works only as hard as he wants to and when he wants to. He is mean, curses and could care less about being a better husband. He goes to church almost every Sunday but complains about everyone there. I was trying to fix him but time and time again I was told to work on me. I work two jobs to provide for us and our 3 boys. I am faithful to my husband. However, I think of leaving him each and every day but I know that is me thinking and not God. So, I need some scripture to help me be a GOOD Christian wife eventhough my fresh is telling me other wise.
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? And what communion hath light with darkness?" (KJV)
"Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?" (NIV)
"Do not be teamed with those who do not love the Lord, for what do the people of God have in common with the people of sin? How can light live with darkness?" (LB)
Get a good divorce lawyer.
NC Wife,
I wrote more on your situation here:
http://missannieangel.blogspot.com/2008/06/not-technically-mailbag.html
This list is sane for the insane.
This post in no way reflects how a christian wife is supposed be.
Ladies, I think below you'll find much better advice, which I found on another website. And what makes it even better is that much of this advice is actually supported by biblequotes. I was truly startled when I found AnnieAngels advice, while looking for ways to be a more humble wife. I thought at first that it was a parody but then I gathered from all the discourse on the page, that it wasn't. Unbelievable! If I turned into thát, my man would be weeping to say the least. He wants me to respect him, he wants me to love him and yes, even serve him, but he doesn't want a doormat who doesn't in the least bit inspire him intelectually or otherwise. And AnnieAngel, it's pathetic if a husband needs to be fat in order to be faithful; he should be faithful because he loves God and because he loves you, if he isn't, he needs a talk with his pastor and spiritual soul-searching/healing, not gazillions of food! And by the way, making him eat too much is disastrous to his health and what's more it's also causing him to sin (did you know debauchery is a sin) - is that what we should want for the man we love or is this advice only aimed at wives who don't REALLY love their husbands, because a fat husband will soon be a dead husband! How morbid!
Here's a link with another perspective on how to be a good Christian wife:
http://www.wikihow.com/Be-a-Good-Christian-Wife
You may or may not agree with all of it, but at least the advice also centers around important fundamentals such as prayer.
You give a bad name to what a real christian is you are sadly misinformed and you apparently enjoy being emotionally abused at home just try to keep your lies to your self so you don't mislead people and remember you'll have to answer to God one day for your stupidity
for the love of any god there may or may not actually be, i hope this is a joke.
Dear Annie, You put up a very good argument and I respect that you choose to work at home with your children, but why don't you believe that there are other options too? I mean what if a woman really wants to go into the work world, but she can't because its not considered moral for her to do so (according to you). Why can't husband and wife share responsibilities? It sometimes works to divide them up, but in this case the husband and wife both want the same type of life so why does the husband get what he wants and the wife does not? It would work just as well if the responsibilities were shared. That way everyone would get an equal amount of what they wanted and an equal amount of things that they may not want (but hey there's always stuff you don't want to do). For example, the husband and wife could take turns teaching and caring for the children or planning for the next day. As a matter of fact, the children would learn more from tutoring from both parents because one person can't remember everything to teach all by themselves. Besides, women have a lot to offer in the work world too. It's good to give the world everything you can offer. Also, getting a taste of diverse lifestyles by going out into the world will provide you with more information to address and teach to your children. Thank you for your perspective.
I think as that is all good advice and are deffinatly words to live by we must also remember that we have feelings to and that a man is just as capable of doing we are. as we SHOULD cater to them when do we get catered on no women thinks of theat just the men and we repress the negative feelings we are in the 20 century and need to ask that way and so do our men
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